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Jupiter RowlandManchmal bin ich auch in Erklärungsnot. Das hier ist mir nicht komplett so passiert (in Teilen schon), aber wenn man sich mal anguckt, wie sich manche Leute aufführen, die auch schon seit Oktober/November 2022 dabei sind... Ja, ich kann mehr als 500 Zeichen im Fediverse posten. Nein, ich tröte nicht. Ich bin auf Hubzilla. Da habe ich im Grunde kein Zeichenlimit. Nein, Hubzilla ist keine Mastodon-Instanz. Nein, Hubzilla ist auch kein Mastodon-Fork. Hubzilla hat mit Mastodon überhaupt gar nichts zu tun. Hubzilla wurde schon immer von Mastodon unabhängig entwickelt. Deswegen tröte ich auch nicht. Auf Hubzilla trötet man nicht. Doch, das geht. Das Fediverse ist nicht nur Mastodon. Im Fediverse gibt es noch 150 andere Serveranwendungen als Mastodon. Und die sind alle miteinander und mit Mastodon verbunden. Nein, Hubzilla ist nicht nachträglich an Mastodon drangebaut worden. Nein, Gargron hat nicht 2022 das Fediverse erfunden. Nur weil du erst 2022 davon gehört hast, heißt das nicht, daß es das vorher noch nicht gab. Mastodon ist von 2016. Nein, Gargron hat auch nicht 2016 das Fediverse erfunden. Das Fediverse ist viel älter als Mastodon. Nein, das Fediverse fing wirklich nicht mit Mastodon an. Und das Fediverse war auch nie nur Mastodon. Nein, wirklich nicht. Mastodon ist von Januar 2016. Hubzilla ist von März 2015. Als Mastodon startete, gab es Hubzilla schon zehn Monate. Und Mastodon hat sich mit Hubzilla verbunden und nicht umgekehrt. So, und Hubzilla ist eigentlich sogar von 2012, damals hieß es noch Red Matrix. Und die Red Matrix ist ein Fork von Friendica von Juli 2010. Das gab es also schon fünfeinhalb Jahre, als Mastodon startete. Und Mastodon hat sich auch mit Friendica verbunden und nicht umgekehrt. Und eigentlich ging es schon 2008 los, als StatusNet startete. Und damit hat sich Mastodon auch verbunden, als es startete. Das heißt, als Mastodon startete, war es sofort mit StatusNet verbunden, mit Friendica verbunden und mit Hubzilla verbunden. Nein, das Fediverse ist nicht nur für Reintext-Microblogging. So, nochmal zum Mitmeißeln: 200.000 Zeichen in einem Post mit Textformatierung und beliebig vielen Bildern, die direkt in den Post eingebettet sind, gibt's schon fünfeinhalb Jahre länger als 500 Zeichen ohne Textformatierung und mit Bildern nur als Dateianhänge. Friendica war zuerst hier und Hubzilla auch. Und Mastodon hat überhaupt nicht zu bestimmen, wie das ganze Fediverse aussieht. Habt ihr das mitgekriegt, Anfang des Jahres? Haufenweise Leute, die schon auf Mastodon waren, aber auch noch auf Facebook, haben sich zusätzlich bei Friendica registriert. Nicht etwa, weil sie endlich was Ordentliches benutzen wollten. Nein, sondern, weil sie Facebook-Freunde hatten, die nach Friendica umziehen wollten. Und weil sie dachten, man braucht ein Friendica-Konto, um Friendica-Nutzern zu folgen. Die wußten ganz einfach nicht, daß man Friendica-Konten von Mastodon aus folgen kann. Auch das waren durchaus wieder Leute, die seit Oktober/November 2022 dabei waren. Sympathisch waren dann die, die begriffen hatten, daß Friendica und Mastodon sich miteinander verbinden können, und dann "in den Äther" gefragt haben, welches von den Konten sie behalten sollten. Irgendwie kann Friendica dann doch mehr als Mastodon, vor allem Sachen, die sie schon ewig auf Mastodon haben wollten. Aber sogar die Mastodon-Entwickler scheinen teilweise regelrecht gehirngewaschen zu sein. Einen gibt's, selbst wenn der wußte, daß sein Gegenüber ein Hubzilla-Veteran ist, hat er noch behauptet und felsenfest darauf beharrt, daß Mastodon die einzige Fediverse-Serveranwendung ist, die "feature-komplett" ist. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NichtNurMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NichtNurMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.online/@joho" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joaquim Homrighausen</a> @<a href="https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kevin Beaumont</a> To be fair, full data portability via ActivityPub has only been available in a stable release of anything for two weeks. That was when @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>'s <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>, created in mid-August of 2024 as a fork of his own <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">streams repository</a> and the latest member of a family of software that started in 2010 with Friendica, had its very first official stable release. And, in fact, Forte just uses ActivityPub to do something that (streams) and its predecessors all the way to the Red Matrix from 2012 (known as Hubzilla since 2015) have been doing using the Nomad protocol (formerly known as Zot). It's called <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nomadic identity</a>. This is technology that's over a dozen years old on software that was built around this technology from the get-go, only that it was recently ported to ActivityPub. Now, nomadic identity via ActivityPub was @<a href="https://mitra.social/users/silverpill" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">silverpill</a>'s idea. He wanted to make his <a href="https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mitra</a> nomadic. He started working in 2023. The first conversion of existing non-nomadic server software to nomadic still isn't fully done, much less officially rolled out as a stable release. If Mastodon actually wanted to implement nomadic identity, they would first have to wait until Mitra has a first stable nomadic release. Then they would have to wait until nomadic identity on Mitra (and between Mitra and Forte) has become stable and reliable under daily non-lab conditions. (Support for nomadic identity via ActivityPub on (streams) worked nicely under lab conditions. When it was rolled out to the release branch, and existing instances upgraded to it, it blew up in everyone's faces, and it took months for things to stabilise again.) Then they would have to look at how silverpill has done it and how Mike has done it. Then they would have to swallow their pride and decide to adopt technology that they can't present as their own original invention because it clearly isn't. And they would have to swallow their pride again and decide against making it incompatible with Mitra, Forte and (streams) just to make these three look broken and inferior to Mastodon. And only then they could actually start coding. Now look at how long silverpill has been working on rebuilding Mitra into something nomadic. This takes a whole lot of modifications because the concept of identity itself has to be thrown overboard and redefined because your account will no longer be your identity and vice versa. 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://anonsys.net/profile/hamiller_friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hamiller Friendica</a> <blockquote>Nach diesem Muster ist er auch bei Friendica und Hubzilla vorgegangen.</blockquote> Na ja, es war ähnlich. 2012 war Friendica längst stabil und im Grunde fertig. Er hat es an die Community abgegeben, Red abgeforkt und mit Zot experimentiert. 2018 war Hubzilla stabil und im Grunde fertig. Er hat es an die Community abgegeben, Osada und Zap abgeforkt und mit Zot6 experimentiert. 2020 war Zap stabil und im Grunde fertig. Er hat es an die Community abgegeben und das zweite Osada gleich mit. Nachdem die Community umgehend Osada eingestellt hat, weil es eh mit Zap beinahe identisch war, hat Mike ein drittes Osada, ein neues Mistpark und eine neue Redmatrix abgeforkt, um mit Zot8 zu experimentieren. Aus den Experimenten ging nie etwas Stabiles hervor. Statt dessen hat er von einem von den dreien 2021 Roadhouse geforkt, um mit der nächsten Zot-Evolutionsstufe zu experimentieren, die dann in Nomad umbenannt wurde. (streams) aus demselben Jahr sollte dann Roadhouse in stabil werden. Und Mike wollte (streams) nicht wieder forken. Dann kam Mike aber an einen Punkt, wo er sagte: Nomadische Identität geht auch mit ActivityPub. Ich brauche kein eigenes Protokoll mehr, ich muß nur dabei mithelfen, ActivityPub dahin zu bringen, daß es Nomad ersetzen kann. Weil er aber (streams) nicht forken wollte, hat er das Ganze auf (streams) selbst versucht umzusetzen. Blöderweise läuft das in der Praxis nicht so geschmeidig, wie es in der Theorie angedacht war. Statt jetzt aber seinen einzigen stabilen Release endgültig in eine Bastelbude zu verwandeln, hat er jetzt Forte abgeforkt und nimmt das zum Basteln, während (streams) wieder auf stabile Beine kommen soll. Auch das macht er selber, weil das keiner für ihn übernimmt. Und die (streams)-Community ist keine drei Jahre nach der Entstehung von (streams) noch zu klein, um so bald die Entwicklung von (streams) zu übernehmen. Kaum einer zieht von Hubzilla um, ganz neu nach (streams) kommt eh keiner, auf Mastodon weiß kaum einer, daß es (streams) gibt, und die, die davon wissen, trauen sich nicht hin. Und so wird Mike beides weiterentwickeln. Forte wird wahrscheinlich zunächst ein Soft Fork bleiben, damit Mike sich nicht dieselbe Arbeit zweimal machen muß. So gesehen ist das eher vergleichbar mit Zap und den ersten zwei Osadas, wo Mike schon mal zwei Projekte mit in Teilen unterschiedlicher Codebase am Laufen hatte. 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> It has partly become a museum already. Of Mike's projects, only Roadhouse is missing because it never really took off. But the Red Matrix is there, Mistpark is there, Osada is there, Zap is there. Calckey is still there. Wildebeest is there which was so questionable I've got my doubts it still exists. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Wildebeest" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wildebeest</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark2020" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark2020</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misty" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misty</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Osada" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Osada</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zap</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>

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Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://authorship.studio/channel/scott" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Scott M. Stolz</a> It's a bit murky what exactly happened back then. Friendica started as Mistpark before a German told Mike what a German understands when reading that word, namely manure park. It was then renamed to Friendika because the desired Friendica domain was still blocked. Free Friendika was a fork of Friendika by someone who wasn't content with Friendika's license. Free Friendika was on GitHub right away while Friendika wasn't. The fork involved copying Friendika's whole repository to GitHub. Friendika was renamed Friendica in 2011 or 2012 when that name had become available. It was afterwards that Friendica's own code repository was migrated to GitHub. Due to a GitHub "quirk", Friendica was automatically declared a fork of Free Friendika which is technically false. What exactly happened license-wise is murky to me. Friendica can't have started under the AGPL because that'd exclude re-licensing a fork. But interestingly, Hubzilla is MIT-licensed. So whatever license Friendica started out under, it might have been the community which put it under the AGPL after taking over from Mike who was now tinkering with the Zot protocol. Looking at the licenses, it's very likely that Mike didn't fork Friendica Red off Friendica but off Free Friendika, itself a hard fork of Friendika. Thus, some improvements on Friendica never made it to Friendica Red. I also guess it was named Friendica Red first and then renamed Red (from spanish la red = "the net") after the whole backend had been re-written against Zot, and the whole thing had stopped being Friendica in the first place. The re-naming to Red Matrix must have been a kind of marketing decision. It's even unclear what exactly was the base for Osada later. Case in point: Well after the release of Hubzilla, Mike's own instances were still all branded "Red Matrix" although this project should have been abandoned in early 2015 when Hubzilla was created from it. So either the Red Matrix was renamed Hubzilla and reworked into what was Hubzilla 1.0 in July, but Mike kept the "Red Matrix" brand for his own instances. In this case, Osada was forked from Hubzilla, and most everything added from the Red Matrix to Hubzilla was removed again from Hubzilla to Osada. Or Hubzilla was forked from the Red Matrix, mostly soft-forked, the Red Matrix became Hubzilla's smaller and more experimental brother, and Mike's own instances all became testbeds for development that would have been more difficult with the extra Hubzilla cruft in the way. In this case, chances are bigger that Mike forked Osada from the Red Matrix which had never had all that extra Hubzilla stuff that Osada never had either. Either way, the path from Mistpark to Hubzilla is both very complicated and very murky, and so I guess it's kind of justified to simplify it a bit. At the same time, it's too short to simplify it the same the path from either the Red Matrix or Hubzilla to (streams) can be simplified because the latter has had many more forks in it ("a fork of a fork... of a fork of {Hubzilla|the Red Matrix}"). #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forks" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forks</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendika" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendika</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FreeFriendika" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FreeFriendika</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>

Jupiter RowlandI keep seeing lots of people who are totally giddy about the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>, who are gushing over it, who want to promote it, who want it to spread. And who want it to advance. To learn new abilities. To grow new features. That's all fine and dandy. But almost all of these people are still fully convinced that the Fediverse equals #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>. And nothing else. At least not until Tumblr and P92 join the fray. Okay, maybe the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WordPress" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WordPress</a> plug-in that's the talk of the town now that it has become official. Okay, maybe a few of them have also heard of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> and/or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> because their makers are all over the Fediverse. When these people are talking about the Fediverse, they mean Mastodon. And when they're thinking about the Fediverse, they're only thinking about Mastodon. Because that's all they know. So these people want new cool features or even new cool use-cases in the Fediverse, stuff that Mastodon doesn't have. They want Mastodon to have it, or they want new projects to be launched that have these features. If only they knew. If only they knew that everything, literally everything they propose has already been done. Yes, in the Fediverse. In projects which are fully federated with Mastodon. Why don't they know? Because they've never heard of any of these projects, much less what they can do. So they want "quote-tweets" in the Fediverse. Which means they want Mastodon to introduce them. Tell you what: Mastodon is the only microblogging project in the Fediverse that doesn't have quotes. Not only will Eugen Rochko never introduce them, but all the other projects have them with Mastodon forks #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GlitchSoc" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GlitchSoc</a> such as being the exception. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> has them. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> has them. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MissKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MissKey</a> has them. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalcKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalcKey</a> has them. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FoundKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FoundKey</a> has them. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GoToSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GoToSocial</a> has them. The old heavyweights #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> have them, and so does Hubzilla's youngest decendant, the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> project. Et cetera. You want "quote-tweets"? Switch to something that isn't Mastodon, and you've got "quote-tweets". Or text formatting in posts like bold type, italics, underline, strikethrough, <code>code blocks</code> etc. Would be great if Mastodon had that, in spite of other people saying they don't want it. Again: Pleroma already has it. Akkoma already has it. MissKey already has it. CalcKey already has it. FoundKey already hasit. GoToSocial already has it. Friendica already has it. Hubzilla already has it (look at this post at its source in a Web browser and weep). (streams) already has it. And so forth. This time, even Mastodon forks have it. It has been done. It has been done many times. It has actually been done before Mastodon. Next, long-form blog posting. We need something like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Medium" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Medium</a> in the Fediverse that isn't Medium itself. Mastodon's 500 characters are too few, and Twitter-like threads are inconvenient. Except we already have that, too. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Plume" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plume</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a> are about as close to Medium as Mastodon is to Twitter, including clean and distraction-less layouts. Oh, and Hubzilla can do that, too. By the way: Again, Mastodon is the only Fediverse project that can do microblogging that has a 500-character limit. Pleroma, Mastodon's oldest direct competitor, raised it to a default of 6,000. MissKey and its forks have 3,000 as a default. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have character limits of "go ahead, drop your short story in one post in its entirety," so virtually none at all. And yes, Hubzilla has long-form writing on top of that. Speaking of Hubzilla: Most recently, there has been the idea to uncouple one's online identity from a specific instance. Your online self should no longer be firmly tied to any one server exclusively. Now, this sounds so ambitious, it might just as well be science-fiction. What if I told you that just this very thing already exists as well? No, really. No, I'm not making this up. But you should know by now that I'm not. Better yet: It was conceived as early as 2011. By the guy who launched Friendica in 2010. He invented a new principle named #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a> and a new protocol named #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a>. In its early stages already, even with no technical implementation yet, Zot was more powerful than ActivityPub is today. In 2012, Zot became reality as the basis of a Friendica fork which later became known as #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a> and, upon its 1.0 stable release in late 2015, which is still prior to Mastodon's initial release, Hubzilla. Hubzilla is still being developed and improved, and it has a fledgling but growing "successor of a successor" named (streams) which offers nomadic identity, too. Now, what does this nomadic identity even look like? Well, not only does it let you move your channel(s) around from instance to instance with ease and, unlike on Mastodon, with absolutely everything on it. No, it also lets you have your channel on multiple instances at once. Identical clones, automagically kept in sync in real-time, all with the same identity, the same content, the same connections. Your identity is no longer strapped down to one instance. Not only that, but your channel, your posts, your content is no longer hosted on only one server. This means that if one instance with one of your clones goes down, you still have spares. Okay, so how about community groups/forums? That'd be cool. Well, for one, there's #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Guppe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guppe</a>. It's basically bolted on Mastodon, and in practice, it's centralised because there's only one instance. But it's impractical to use. Besides, this is becoming a running gag here, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have exactly this built-in and open for the rest of the Fediverse. Better yet: There's also #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> which amounts to a federated #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Reddit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reddit</a> or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=HackerNews" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HackerNews</a> clone. So not only does Lemmy offer this, it specialises in it. Hubzilla alone can provide Fediverse feature suggestions with "has been done" for years to come. <a href="https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Not to mention what else</a> <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the Fediverse has to offer</a>. Even if someone should want a free, non-commercial, decentralised, federated #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GoodReads" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GoodReads</a> clone in the Fediverse, it has been done: #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a>.

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